Comments on: Heroes http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/ Sun, 13 May 2012 22:55:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Bro Bri http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1134 Bro Bri Fri, 21 Dec 2007 19:48:04 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1134 Actually, the Viet Nam war COULD have been won. If the US could beat the Nazis, beat the Imperial Japanese, and halt the Chinese PLA at the 38th Korean parallel, the Soviet backed North Vietnamese could have been beaten. The issue really came down to a half hearted approach to the enemy. It is akin to the concept of the "small footprint" approach advocated by Donald Rumsfeld in the Iraq War. When things went south, Mr. Rumsfeld basically handed the anti-war crowd what they were looking for. But now that the surge that could never work is working, I'm wondering if some folks might be disappointed, because after all, this *is* Bush's war, right? Actually, the Viet Nam war COULD have been won. If the US could beat the Nazis, beat the Imperial Japanese, and halt the Chinese PLA at the 38th Korean parallel, the Soviet backed North Vietnamese could have been beaten. The issue really came down to a half hearted approach to the enemy. It is akin to the concept of the “small footprint” approach advocated by Donald Rumsfeld in the Iraq War. When things went south, Mr. Rumsfeld basically handed the anti-war crowd what they were looking for. But now that the surge that could never work is working, I’m wondering if some folks might be disappointed, because after all, this *is* Bush’s war, right?

]]> By: colio2007 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1133 colio2007 Fri, 21 Dec 2007 13:11:04 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1133 the robust commenting here is exciting! the secret to stirring things up: politics. call me ann COLter. come to think of it, please don't. the robust commenting here is exciting! the secret to stirring things up: politics.

call me ann COLter.

come to think of it, please don’t.

]]> By: John in IL http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1135 John in IL Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:52:37 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1135 Linda K said: <i>That honor belongs to President Bush who has spent trillions of dollars on a war</i> Trillions of dollars haven't been spent in Iraq. Many billions have been spent but not trillions (as of yet). Linda K said:
That honor belongs to President Bush who has spent trillions of dollars on a war

Trillions of dollars haven’t been spent in Iraq. Many billions have been spent but not trillions (as of yet).

]]> By: barry http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1136 barry Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:37:07 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1136 found a gift for you http://www.uncrate.com/men/home/art-decor/kozik-stalin-bust/ found a gift for you

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]]> By: Linda K. http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1137 Linda K. Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:46:47 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1137 From a Baby Boomer: I lived through the Vietnam War, scared to death that my fiance and/or my brother would get drafted to fight a war that could not be won. Emotions ran high. Vietnam tore families apart. My father almost threw me out of the our house for being "a pinko commie" and for disagreeing with President Johnson. It was a horrible war for all of us. Jane Fonda made mistakes, but she's a civilian. She pissed people off, but she didn't send anyone to war. That honor belongs to President Bush who has spent trillions of dollars on a war based on a lie (the elusive WMDs)--a war that has caused the death of thousands of Americans. I don't think our mission has been accomplished. From a Baby Boomer:
I lived through the Vietnam War, scared to death that my fiance and/or my brother would get drafted to fight a war that could not be won.

Emotions ran high. Vietnam tore families apart. My father almost threw me out of the our house for being “a pinko commie” and for disagreeing with President Johnson.

It was a horrible war for all of us. Jane Fonda made mistakes, but she’s a civilian. She pissed people off, but she didn’t send anyone to war. That honor belongs to President Bush who has spent trillions of dollars on a war based on a lie (the elusive WMDs)–a war that has caused the death of thousands of Americans. I don’t think our mission has been accomplished.

]]> By: Bro Bri http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1138 Bro Bri Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:23:42 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1138 Hey, for the record, I'm not a "ditto-head" and I can't stand Bill O'Reilly. My parting shot on the boomers was a joke (though they ARE the most self-aggrandizing generation in American history) but apart from all the other stuff JF has accomplished in her life, she was wrong on Viet Nam, and she's wrong on Iraq IMO, and the fact she actually does have hindsight to consider her actions of that era, but has chosen not to really think things through as to what a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would do, to me, is either loathsome or stupid. So, apart from that, Jane Fonda is awesome. Hey, for the record, I’m not a “ditto-head” and I can’t stand Bill O’Reilly. My parting shot on the boomers was a joke (though they ARE the most self-aggrandizing generation in American history) but apart from all the other stuff JF has accomplished in her life, she was wrong on Viet Nam, and she’s wrong on Iraq IMO, and the fact she actually does have hindsight to consider her actions of that era, but has chosen not to really think things through as to what a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq would do, to me, is either loathsome or stupid.

So, apart from that, Jane Fonda is awesome.

]]> By: colio2007 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1139 colio2007 Thu, 20 Dec 2007 03:50:08 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1139 go ahead blame an entire generation and an artist if that makes you feel better about things, bri. i do think you are right about the "whole story," though. the extreme sides of both political parties pump a lot of propaganda out there and omit storylines that don't serve their purposes. a society that believes in either one too much and ceases to ask questions is doomed. to bust out another whitehead quote: “Not ignorance, but ignorance of ignorance is the death of knowledge.” that's also why i take chances listening to and seeking out sources that don't inherently resonate with my personal programming. Love, Your Adoring Commie Sis go ahead blame an entire generation and an artist if that makes you feel better about things, bri.

i do think you are right about the “whole story,” though. the extreme sides of both political parties pump a lot of propaganda out there and omit storylines that don’t serve their purposes. a society that believes in either one too much and ceases to ask questions is doomed. to bust out another whitehead quote: “Not ignorance, but ignorance of ignorance is the death of knowledge.”

that’s also why i take chances listening to and seeking out sources that don’t inherently resonate with my personal programming.

Love, Your Adoring Commie Sis

]]> By: Bro Bri http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1141 Bro Bri Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:42:40 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1141 Col - it's easy to have the courage of one's convictions when the whole story isn't told, and one doesn't want to hear it even if it was. The plight of the South Vietnamese after the US tucked tail and bailed is NEVER discussed. Bowing to political pressure at home so congressmen, senators, and even the president could hold on to power is why those poor people only now can contribute to the global economy on a very modest scale, never mind the Khmer Rouge who came to power bringing us Pol Pot’s “Killing Fields” in neighboring Cambodia also as a result of the hasty US withdrawal. I blame the boomers and Hanoi Jane as one of their icons! Col – it’s easy to have the courage of one’s convictions when the whole story isn’t told, and one doesn’t want to hear it even if it was. The plight of the South Vietnamese after the US tucked tail and bailed is NEVER discussed. Bowing to political pressure at home so congressmen, senators, and even the president could hold on to power is why those poor people only now can contribute to the global economy on a very modest scale, never mind the Khmer Rouge who came to power bringing us Pol Pot’s “Killing Fields” in neighboring Cambodia also as a result of the hasty US withdrawal.

I blame the boomers and Hanoi Jane as one of their icons!

]]> By: barry http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1140 barry Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:17:08 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1140 Bri All the best to your family as well. Bri
All the best to your family as well.

]]> By: barry http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/comment-page-1/#comment-1142 barry Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:14:03 +0000 http://colsblog.com/2007/12/19/heroes/#comment-1142 Does she talk about one of her husbands forced her into group sex? Would love to hear her read that excerpt. As for her Vietnam exploits, didn't she sit on an anti aircraft gun belonging to the Vietcog with a huge smile on her face? Does she talk about one of her husbands forced her into group sex? Would love to hear her read that excerpt.

As for her Vietnam exploits, didn’t she sit on an anti aircraft gun belonging to the Vietcog with a huge smile on her face?

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